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This is a recording of a conversation between John Garlock, MD and Ralph Colp, MD circa 1946. In this recording they discuss a conversation Colp had with Frank Lahey regarding why Garlock was not yet a member of the American Surgical Association or taken into the American Gastroenterological Association. They also discuss why Colp has not proposed Garlock to the American Surgical association. Colp mentions cases and examples that have led him to doubt Garlock's intellectual honesty. Garlock defends himself and explains why Colp’s statements have unsettled him. Together they dispute these instances and determine that once Garlock shows Colp that he did in fact report a case in which he attached the wrong loop of ileum to the bowel at a surgical conference then they would go together to talk to Frank Lahey and let him arbitrate.